09 Aug 2018
Dear Friends,

Please confirm the attendance of your representatives for the above meeting.

Our earlier mail is reproduced for your consideration.

Dear Veterans,

Further to our mails on the subject.

We request the President or his authorised representative of the pan India based ESM Associations to attend the meeting, scheduled to be held on 19 August 2018, at the venue
143, Second Cross, Second Avenue, Vayupuri, Secunderabad.

State level Registered ESM organisations, which have a membership base of 2000 or more, must be represented by their Presidents or their General Secretary.

It will be of great help for us to have the arrival /departure details of the representatives attending the meet by 09 August 2018.

The details of accommodation will be intimated to all concerned as soon as we have confirmation of arrival/ departure particulars. The contact number of Cmde Sudheer Parakala is 9849057767 and Col (Dr)GB Sethi, General Secretary, TSEWA is 9440859877 , Col MK Veeramani-9948099416, 9494411821.

The Presidents of all Major ESM Organisations or their authorised representatives, which are apolitical and willing to Form the Interim Confederation may kindly come prepared to discuss and finalise the paper.

TSEWA has kindly consented to host the meeting at their office in Hyderabad on 19 Aug 2018 and bear all the expenditure connected with local transportation, Accommodation and meals. The Members participating may kindly make their own travel arrangements from their place of origin to Hyderabad and back. They may arrive Hyderabad by PM 18 Aug and depart Hyderabad AM 20 Aug 2018. The rough outline Agenda for the Meeting on 19 Aug 2018 is as below:

1. 0900-0930 hrs – Presidents of Participating ESM Organisations assemble at 143, Vayupuri, Hyderabad. Introduction and registration.
2. 0930 – 0935 hrs – Welcome Address by Col (Dr) GB Sethi, General Secretary, TSEWA
3. 0935 – 1000 hrs – Welcome and Background of Confederation Concept by Col TN Raman, Convener
4. 1000 – 1045 hrs – PPT Presentation of Draft Approach Paper by Cmde Sudheer Parakala, VP, TSEWA
5. 1045 – 1300 hrs – Open House discussion of Draft Approach Paper and finalisation of approach paper
6. 1300 – 1400 hrs – Lunch hosted by TSEWA
7.. 1400 – 1500 hrs.- Formation of Interim Confederation and signing of Resolution/MOU
8. 1500 – 1530 hrs – Election of Interim National Confederation President by Consensus or by Ballot
9. 1530 – 1600 hrs – Election of Interim National Vice President by Consensus or by Ballot
10. 1600 – 1630 hrs – Selection of One /Two Nominated Members as ombudsman.
11. 1930 hrs – Dinner hosted by TSEWA

Since the Interim Confederation is proposed to be formed and Elections to the Confederation will take place on 19 Aug 2018, All participating Major ESM Organisations may please be represented preferably by their Presidents or General Secretaries. Kindly confirm your participation and intimate travel details to Col (Dr) GB Sethi, General Secretary of TSEWA before 09 Aug 2018 to make administrative arrangements.

Please visit our web site
our website http://www.cixma.in and FB page – https://www.facebook.com/pg/OfficialCIXMA/ are brought online.

with Best wishes & Regards,

Convener
Col (Retd) TN Raman
E5/230, AWHO Parameswaran Vihar,
67, Arcot Road, Saligramam,
Chennai 600093
Mob: 0- 9840033326
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25/07/2018
Dear Veterans,

1. With encouragement from many Veterans and ESM Organisations,a Meeting of the proposed Confederation of ESM Organisations will be held on 19 August 18, at Hyderabad. I had earlier circulated an Approach paper on the subject. The salient aspects are given below, for recapitulation.

2. Let us be clear that the formation of such a Confederation is not intended to create a leader or another ESM Organisation to replace the existing ones. All the existing ESM Associations will continue to function with their own identities and memorandums, without any interference to their internal functioning. The intention is only to bring all of them under one umbrella, which will be formed by the existing ESM Associations themselves, voluntarily with the approval of the members of their own Associations.

3. Even the Memorandum of Understanding and the Common Minimum Programme for the proposed Confederation will be prepared and passed by the Member Associations themselves. It is aimed at collective leadership and not individual or coterie centric.

Amplification:-

4. It is not possible to form a new ESM Organisation and expect all the ESM Associations from all the States and Center to join, for the sake of showcasing our unity. Few of the ESM Associations, are headed by Officers and others by JCOs and NCOs. No one would like to give away his eminence and importance of being called Chairman, President or General Secretary of such Associations, by merging with a larger outfit and lose his own importance and identity, on matters concerning the ESM.

5. Therefore, the next best option would be the Confederation of ESM Associations, where all the ESM Associations can become members with equal rights, irrespective of their own individual size of membership base or financial backing or political affiliations. This Confederation will be Apolitical, issue based and not organisation centric, since it will not have any ESM as its members, but only the ESM Associations as members.The appointment of President, Secretary and other Office Bearers of this Confederation will be elected by the Member Associations themselves, for a period of two years. The President and Secretary of all member Associations will be the members of the Managing Committee. The fundamental requirement, of course, will be that the ESM Associations must be registered entities with current registration status, with their own bye-laws.

6. The policy decisions will be taken by two thirds of the Members of the Managing Committee, which shall be binding on all the member Associations. It will also have a delegation of ESM Representatives to deal with the Govt or other functionaries duly nominated by the Managing Committee. The members of such delegations will be selected on subject and need basis. This will avoid too many ESM Associations writing to the concerned authorities on the same issue, in different voices, without proper internal discussion or debate.
7. Above all, the demands and opinion of such a Confederation of ESM Associations, exhibiting unity, will be taken seriously by the Govt.
8. This issue was discussed as an Agenda point on 08 July 18, during the ESM meeting held in Chennai. The gist is given below:-

Confederation of ESM Organisations.
a. The members welcomed the efforts being made by Col T N Raman to foster unity among ESM Associations, and to bring them under one common umbrella. The advantages of projecting ESM needs and problems along with positive suggestions by a Confederation backed by strength; as against sending multiple representations from individual associations ( as at present ) were highlighted by many participants. The discussions centered broadly on forming the confederation at Regional / State / All- India level.
b. There are some major associations that have pan – India presence – like IESL, IESM, Air Force / Navy associations, TSEWA, War Wounded Foundation, War Widows Association, War Disabled, NExCC, AIEWA, Military Veterans, AFVOA, War Decorated and a few more. Their regional chapters cannot become part of Regional or State level confederations. Their local branches cannot independently take decisions in the Confederation. Every local decision, in their cases, will require guide lines / approval from the central HQ, which may or may not approve local commitments.
c. However, there are many other local ESM associations / organisations at the districts and State level, which serve the community of ESM at State level. They can join the Confederation, with more certainty and much less hurdles.
d. A suggestion came up that it will be better to call the umbrella organisation as a ‘ Federation ‘ than as a ‘ Confederation ‘ This will reduce the complications involved in evolving of Joint Confederation of ESM bodies. Col TN Raman gave out his view that, keeping the future in mind, the ESM Associations of State and Districts level may be grouping themselves as State Federations. Such Federations of States may join the Confederation at the Center, since they are not going to lose their identities. Therefore, Confederation of ESM Associations will comprise independent ESM Associations, Federations of various States and the already existing pan India ESM Organisations.
e. The general consensus of opinion is that Col Raman may liaise with and prepare the list of ESM Associations, who are inclined to be a part of the Confederation ; then have rounds of exploratory dialogue with them individually and collectively. This needs patience and time.
f. As Col Raman has rightly pointed out, the Confederation, to start with must aim at all India level and percolate down to States level. If the idea is to start from State level and move upward to National level, then it will be self defeating, since the main strength of the Confederation will be the ESM Organisations which are already established on all India basis. A few of such organisations are quoted in sub para (a) above. Lt Gen Vijay Oberoi and his War Wounded Foundation, AIEWA, RDOA, War Widows Association, Maj Gen Satbir Singh- IESM and a few more organisations have expressed their support in 2014 itself. Now, TSEWA has evinced keen interest in the proposal.
g. The members reiterated that the above suggestions are meant to encourage and not to discourage the formation of the Confederation at All India level. They have urged Col Raman to progress the issue further.

9. The following suggestions from Cmde Sudheer Parikala are positive and encouraging:-
a. Interim Organisation. The Confederation as envisaged at the State Level and the National Level may take two to four years to come into being. Since RM has in principle agreed to have quarterly meetings of ESM Organisations Chaired by RRM, it is essential that an Interim Confederation is brought into force and the first such meeting held before the moral code of conduct for the next General Elections comes into force.
b. All the major existing ESM organizations must be invited to come together to form the Confederation. If majority of ESM Organisations can come together, it would be an excellent step forward to form the Confederation and have a powerful voice to redress major grievances and welfare activities of the ESM community. TSEWA has consented to host such a meeting at Hyderabad.
c. During the meeting on 19 August 18, it is also proposed to elect the Interim National Confederation President (NCP) and also an Interim National Confederation Vice President, who could also be called as the Confederation Ombudsman.
d. The Interim NCP when elected will establish communication with the MOD and propose the dates for the first meeting of the Confederation to be Chaired by the RRM.

Conclusion

10. The intention of the proposal is not to forge any mergers but to create an Apex Organisation for the purposes of conveying unified voice to the MOD at the National Level and the State Governments at the State Level for Redressal of Grievances and institution of various welfare measures for the benefit of the ESM Community and the Widows. The Confederation will not exercise supremacy over any individual ESM Organisation nor will there be any Identity loss. It is the considered opinion that the confederation when formed, will command due respect at all levels of Governance.
11. Please also visit the following web site and FB page, which Air Warrior S Varadarajan had created in 2015, which has now been reactivated: –
our website http://www.cixma.in and FB page – https://www.facebook.com/pg/OfficialCIXMA/ are brought online.

An Appeal

12. I wish to clarify that my role in the entire process of formation of the confederation, is only that of a facilitator. Sine the membership is restricted only to the bonafide ESM Associations, I am not even eligible to contest for any of the posts, since I am not heading any ESM Organisation. But, I am confident that my effort will not go waste this time. I request all the heads of the ESM organisations to kindly attend the meeting on 19 August 18, at Hyderabad, the details of which will be sent shortly.

Jai Hind !

Col (Retd) TN Raman
E5/230, AWHO Parameswaran Vihar,
67, Arcot Road, Saligramam,
Chennai 600093
Mob: 0- 9840033326

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Dear Veterans,

1. I was watching from the wings, most of the email exchanges, from various ESM Associations and ESM dignitaries.

2. Let us examine the modus operandi of Central Govt Employees. There are more than a thousand Federations and Associations of employees, which come under one umbrella called the Confederation of Central Govt Employees, which they surmise as an ” Organisation for unifying the entirety of Central Govt Employees Associations on a single platform of struggle and advance”. This Confederation includes Federations and Associations of the Railways, Port Trust, Postal Services, Nationalised Banks, PSUs, and many more important Govt entities, which are independent bodies by themselves, which on their own merit are capable of causing great disruption to the economy of the Nation as well as smooth functioning of the Govt. Despite this advantage, they believe in united approach, while tackling the common problems faced by them. During the first week of this month, May 2015, the call for Nation wide strike was given by their ‘Confederation’ to resolve all the major issues affecting the Central Govt Employees as a whole. We have seen the report in all news media. In addition, their Confederation has also given notice to the Govt that there will be a prolonged strike in Nov 2015, if their demands are not met. This system precludes the efforts by the Govt to create rift amongst their Associations.

3. Here we Veterans are still hesitating to project an united front to carry forward our demands, under a single umbrella of a Confederation, despite the fact that we Veterans enjoy only a reflected glory, since it has been our covenant and which will always be the one, to never involve our serving fraternity with our struggle. Because, we care for our Nation, always and every time.

4, The demand of OROP has become a litmus test for the Veterans’ cause. It has graduated to become an emotional issue, rather than remaining a pure financial benefit. The BJP lured the ESM community with such a promise in 2014, as an assurance of sympathetic consideration of all problems connected with the ESM community.

5. Some knowledgeable Veterans may question as to the relevance of Confederation of Central Govt employees comprising serving employees, with the struggle of we Veterans of Armed Forces. Therefore, let us compare our performance with that of Civil Pensioners Confederation.

6. Bharat Pensioners Samaj (BPS) is a conglomerate of around 650 Pensioners Associations of different
disciplines & departments including All India Services, Central Govt Employees, Railways, Defence Civilian Employees, EPS95 etc. In addition, BPS has a strong alliance with sister organizations like AISCCON, AIFPA Chennai & NFRP Palghat. The combined strength through its affiliates/associates & allies goes beyond 10 lakh . It is an All India Federation of Pensioners’ Associations of all Central Govt; State govt ; PSUs, EPS &NPS pensioners’. It is a, non-profitable, non-political & nonreligious organization. Bharat Pensioners Samaj (BPS) is aided by the GOI M/O Personnel, PG & Pensions-Department of Pensions &Pensioners Welfare. It is also a member advisory committee for web based Pensioners’ Portal of GOI M/O Personnel, PG & Pensions.

7. Now, let us compare our demands and struggle for justice either through agitations, negotiations, pleadings, personal letters and in some remote cases through Courts of Justice ! The aim, so far has been splintered efforts at meeting the Union Ministers in piecemeal by various ESM Associations and ESM dignitaries, then proclaiming Pyrrhic victories. Patient hearing of our demands by the RM itself has been touted as success of our mission. The RM had played his part well, by meeting all the delegations of ESM Associations separately, at different timings, even on the same day, and in addition inviting prominent Veterans for private consultations. Net result, he found anomalies thrown in by our own Veteran leaders. One classic example is given below:-

(quote)

Extract from the website of NExCC is appended below. The same can also be accessed at the following link:

http://www.nexcc.org/news1.php?id=114#

Warm Regards,
S K Jain
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ONE RANK ONE PENSION
01.05.2015

ONE RANK ONE PENSION National Ex-servicemen Co-Ordination Committee met Defense Minister Mr. Manohar Pareeker at his office on 22nd April 2015 at 1800 hrs to 1900 hrs for the further discussion on issuing OROP implementation orders. The discussions are necessitated due to the anxiety of Ex-servicemen community, that the implementation orders are not likely to be issued, as promised by the Defense Minister in the discussion held on 18th March 2015. During the discussions the Minister informed the delegate that all the modalities and formalities were completed for issuing the orders as promised on 18th March 2015, but unfortunately a delegation of officers led by Major General Satbir Singh met RM and had discussion over the Supreme Court Orders on the subject. This discussion necessitated further clarification on the matter, and also required the approval of the Parliament once again. However, the Minister was very considerate towards PBOR and assured that he will be able to obtain the approval of the parliament during the current Parliament session. The 10 member delegation of Co-Ordination committee led by Chairman Mr. Tanewar Sen, Vice Chairman Mr. VS John and Secretary General Mr. VN Mishra, also discussed other problems like ECHS, Security Contract System and representation in various committees, during the hour long discussion. NeXCC delegates met Mr. Rabindra Kumar Jena, MP. 1. Lok Sabha member of standing committee on industry. 2. Consultative committee on communication and IT and discussed about the exploitation of ex-servicemen in the security contract and security guards. (QUOTE ENDS)

8. The example given above should open our eyes to the tricks being played by the concerned authorities. The RM could not have made such an excuse, palming off the responsibility of the delay to another ESM organisation, had there been a confederation of ESM Associations, on the lines of Bharath Pensioners Samaj (BPS). Then he could have dealt only with the members of the Confederation, an united body of Veterans, representing majority of the ESM community, through their own Associations.

9. The Confederation we are talking about is not a merger of existing ESM Associations into a single body. It will be a voluntary grouping of the existing ESM Associations and Federations, with their own individual identities, into a Confederation set up, akin to BPS. After all, we have only three major branches in our Veterans community, ie, Army, Navy and Air Force. Though these Veterans may be members of various ESM Associations, some at District, State or National level, forming a Confederation by their Associations, for the purpose of ” Organisation for unifying the entirety of ESM Associations on a single platform of struggle and advance”, cannot be beyond our reach. In many mails, most of the leaders of the ESM Associations do agree with this concept. But are simply waiting for some Associations to take the lead.

10. At the cost of repetition, let us revisit the proposal. Please also visit our web site given below:-

Please check http://www.veteransconfed.org
Col TN Raman (Retd)
(to be continued in part-2)
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Dear Veterans,

At the outset, I apologise for the delay in submitting the feed back, which was due to my relatives and personal health problems. At present we have crossed over the hump and progressing well.
The meeting was held on the scheduled time and date. More than 30 representatives of various ESM Associations as given below were present:-
IESM, AFVOA, Exwel Trust, NExCC, FIESA, Air Force Veterans Association and Thiruvallur District ESM Association.
The consensus was to strive for the Confederation set up. For this purpose, a web site has been created and all the ESM Associations were requested to  register as per the format given therein. A mail has already sent to the Veterans, which is reproduced below:-
  ” Thanks to the efforts of JWO S Varadharajan of Indian Air force Veterans Association, a web site has been created for the benefit of the ESM and ESM Associations, as per details given below:-
 Veterans are requested to kindly visit the same. ESM Associations are requested to kindly register their particulars.”
 It was clarified that the registering in the web site is only for the purpose of creating a data base of all ESM Associations. This data base will be useful not only for the purpose  of creation of a Confederation, but more importantly, for mutual communication between various ESM Associations. Registering in the web site alone will not be taken as a consent for the idea of a Confederation. Therefore, I request all the Veterans Associations to kindly enter their particulars.
 We will also be grateful if your feed back is sent to the www.veteransconfed.org
 JWO S Varadharajan is the moderator of this site.
  As of date, the following ESM Organisations have evinced interest in the concept of formation of a Confederation:-
  War Wounded Foundation (Lt Gen Vijay Oberoi), IESM (Maj Gen Satbir Singh), AIEWA (Col Inderjit Singh), AFVOA ( Maj Gen Jose Manavalan),NExCC Delhi ( Veteran Ramkumar), IESL P&C (Lt Col Angad Singh),DK District ESM Association, Karnataka (Col NS Bhandary),  Exwel Trust, Thirunelveli, Col Kuldip Singh Grewal, Air Force Veterans Association, Chennai (JWO S Varadharajan).
 Some of the representatives of NExCC and FIESA had requested for time to deliberate with  their HQ and consider the issue.
 I would like to point out that this was only a preliminary meeting and the response received was quite encouraging. I earnestly request all the ESM Associations and the concerned individual Veterans to kindly respond.
 Col TN Raman (Retd)

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Dear Veterans,

Veterans Confederation is the result of long time efforts to create a platform for all  Indian Veteran (Ex-Servicemen) organisations to come together and project a unified organisation which is apolitical and dedicated to the issues of veterans.
The Constitution:
  1.  This Confederation will be a voluntary formation of the Registered Veteran Associations, from any part of our country.
  2. This Confederation will be issue based and not organisation based. All the Associations forming part of this Confederation, will have equal rights and responsibilities, irrespective of the strength of their own members and financial state.
  3. This Confederation will not have any individuals as members. Only the Registered Veteran Associations will become Members.
  4. All the members Associations will be represented by their Presidents and Secretaries in the meetings, ie, two per Association.
  5. Only issues affecting the Veterans as a community will be taken up by this Confederation, either for negotiation with the Govt, or, if required by legal intervention, where applicable.
  6. The decision taken by the Confederation will be binding on all the Veteran organisations. Such decisions must be carried by two third majority of the members of the Confederation.
  7. All policy letters, letters to the Govt and teams to represent our demands will be formulated by the Confederation, thus eliminating the scope of divisive views being expressed by various Veterans’ Associations, causing confusion and delay.
  8. This proposed Confederation will be an independent body, not functioning under the aegis of any other Veterans’ Association. It is also not being promoted by any individual Veteran Organisation, but by a few Veterans, who are unbiased and neutral, though some of them may be members of some Veteran Association or other. After the formation of the Confederation, such facilitators will have no role in influencing any decision of the Confederation. Only the members will take the decision.
  Conclusion
 Dear Veterans, OROP is not the only issue that is pending. There are a few more which we all are aware of. The idea is to create a Confederation on a permanent basis for the benefit of all Veterans and the Veteran Associations. This Confederation will not be at the cost of any Veteran Organisation or one more addition to the existing  Veteran Associations. This organisation will act only as the unified voice of all the Veterans, more for exhibiting the unity amongst the Veterans as a community, than to score some brownie points over any individual organisation. The credit for any success or blame for any failure  will be shared by all members of the Confederation. Above all, Unity of Veterans will ultimately prove to be most potent weapon, in a democracy.
 Since we do not have the email IDs of all the Veteran Associations, we earnestly request you all to send a copy of this mail to Veteran Associations known to you.

78 Comments

  1. Good. Initiative. Well done. Thanks

    1. Very good initiative. Hope all the other exservicemen groups recognise the need for this Confederation and come under this umbrella to synchoronise their voice and channelise their demands in an unified manner.

  2. I wish you all the success. ESM do not have a forum . All other organisations have their political clout in form of trade unions including IAS, police paramilitary who keep projecting their case. By mistake I was posted to DGQA. I realised that civilians first see daily their emoluments and if asked to work extra, they first demand overtime . There is allowance for every thing . Hazard allowance for being near ammunition!!!!!! If our Govt decides to pay similar allowance to us , it will go bankrupt even before our first pay is paid…. what morse can I say…
    I am sorry but the fact is our own Countrymen do not realise what we go through. We have so many ESMs . Why … I do not know….

  3. Put me in your circulation list

  4. Dear Veteran,

    Let us unite and for the commen cause of Veterans

    With Best Regards,

    Ram kumar
    Gen. Secretary
    NExCC DELHI
    M 9868206455

    1. Dear Veterans,
      We believe in Unity and will support you for the welfare of Veterans

      With Best Regards,

      Ram kumar
      Gen. Secretary
      NExCC DELHI
      M 9868206455

  5. There is a dire necessity for a confederation of all veterans’ organisations. We need to stand together on many issues if we wish to be heard by politicians and babus. Let egos not mar this commendable effort from Col TN Raman. I wish the confederation all success.

  6. Congratulations for your efforts.
    Having said that, pls be reminded we have National Exservicemen C0-ordination Committee (NExCC), which is an umbrella organization, a federation of all ESM organisations, not one of individual members. NExCC is a fairly well spread umbrella organization which has its presence in almost all states in our country. Within the states also it is fairly well spread in almost all districts. That being so, your effort will bring about another such apex body. In due course of time one more body will come up, each claiming itself to be a better representative of Veterans. The casuality is UNITY. Regards

  7. Good work.Congrats Varada and all the best.

  8. It’s a great idea,my best wishes. God bless.

  9. United we stand. Divided we fall.

  10. Dear Veterans,

    There are a few more ESM Organisations who claim to be Federation. Even IESM, FIESA, NExCC have in principle had called themselves as Federations. But, in reality they all function as individual entities, accepting individual ESM as members.

    The Confederation of ESM Associations, will abinitio stick to the principle of a Federation and will have only ESM Associations as its members.

    I am glad to inform that so far, War wounded Foundation ( Lt Gen Vijay Oberoi), DK District ESM Association, Karnataka ( Col NS Bhandary), Ex-Services League, Punjab& Chandigarh (Lt Col Angad Singh), ESM Association headed by Col Kuldip Singh Grewal, Exwel Trust Thirunelveli, ESM Association Thiruvallur, AFVOA Chennai, AIEWA headed by Col Inderjit Singh, IAF Veterans Association Tamilnadu have supported this concept and have assured of their willingness to form the Confederation.

    I am positive that this endeavor will attract more ESM Associations in the near future.
    I also thank all the Veterans who have been supporting this cause, in the overall interest of ESM community.

    I also request all ESM Associations to kindly register their particulars in this web site, as per the format given.

    Col TN Raman (Retd)

    1. Respected Sir,
      As the president of Ex-Servicemen League, Karaikudi (Registerd in 1986), I always opt for a united front, that acts sincerely for the cause of ESM community in toto, with dedication non political and unbiased. I am with FIESA and also with IESM dedicating myself for the service of veterans. Unfortunately I am yet to see federations that do work in the angle I specified above.
      Here I must convey that the FIESA is really the federation that has only ESM Associations as members andno individual members are enrolled in the federation like the one in IESM, where both individuals and associations can be members.
      However, as a supporter of unity of ESM I wish Veterans Confederation for a grand success uniting the ESM Community for service service and service always for the welfare of their own.

      With sincere wishes
      R.N.Thiruchelvam.

  11. Dear Veterans,

    Further to my mail on the subject.

    I thank Maj Gen Satbir Singh (IESM) for his whole hearted support to this venture. Gp Capt Vinodh Gandhi, Gen Secy, IESM, has also sent his best wishes for our preliminary meeting to be held on 08 March 15.

    Lt Gen Vijay Oberoi and Col Inderjit Singh have already extended their full support to this venture. Veteran Ram Kumar, Gen Secy Delhi Chapter NExCC has also welcomed this initiative.

    Col TN Raman (Retd)

    1. Our two demands
      1. ECHS MEMBERSHIP to SSC officers
      2. OROP for SSC OFFICERS

  12. Good initiative.

    Must understand all problems of veterans.

    Emergency commissioned and short service commissioned officers must get
    RANK PENSION
    pro rata pension
    or
    Aborted pension.

    ECHS MEMBERSHIP TO SSC OFFICERS

  13. Our demand

    1. Rank pension to SSC officers
    or
    pro rata pension to SSC officers
    or
    Aborted pension to SSC officers

    Most imp- ECHS MEMBERSHIP TO SSC OFFICERS

  14. I have nothing more to add to Vtrn Ram Gulrajani’s comments above. I quote : There is a dire necessity for a confederation of all veterans’ organisations. We need to stand together on many issues if we wish to be heard by politicians and babus. Let egos not mar this commendable effort from Col TN Raman. I wish the confederation all success.

    1. Nice quotes Achutan Sir.

  15. Good initiative. All the best for success.

  16. I strongly support this initiative,but what will b the provision of finance to run this organisation.

  17. a very valuable step towards the welfare of veterans & families . Jai Hind

  18. Congrats& thanks for taking this intiative .

  19. this is the need of the time and and all those involved deserve great appreciation.well done ,keep it up and congrats.

  20. CONGRATS for this great step, this could act as a platform for all associations in future. Need to publisize this in all forums to make this successful.

  21. Dear Sir, A good initiative. Unity is strength.

  22. For last 1 year I was always mentioning this, that i must unite together in respect of Rank and File, but as EX SERVICEMEN for the benefits of ESM in all fields. Once we are united, we can get our all the respect,dignity,benefit etc.

  23. it is nice to see the helping hand to Ex-serviceman who is good in number but not united,illiterate,not knowing the simple political tricks /power politics, and neglected by the all the ruling government and all ways Favorited by the opposition party due to the all time looser brand .(other than the left wing politicians) .

    I having one request that this organization should have the humanitarian approach rather than the colonial thinking style .

    Jai hind

  24. Dear Friends,
    This is a very good idea, but before that I have few points to be addressed. First of all all of us are Ex-Servicemen and not sepoy,cpl.sgt,subedar ,capt.,maj.col or brigadier etc etc. Once we are out of service having served the country, everyone must respect each other as human beings and no one ois superior or inferior. For this the clolonial mind set of very many people are to be buried. For instance We have theECHS clinics, whydo we have the present system ? are we not matured enoughto go to the empanelled hospital and explain what is our sickness? do we need a Ex-Officer to approve your sickness? Does anyone know how muchmoney of the Govt is pend only to maintain the administrttion oof the ECHS. Asper the RTI information received by mefor 2013-14 the cost of maintaining the administration is over Rs.130 crores.
    There are over 440 ECHS clinics eachwith a EX-officer of the major & above ranks ,for what just to put his signature on paper work. Are we all dumbsdriven cattles?
    Then the procedure says Officers should go for treatment on saturdays ? why is there any fixed day when a person should fall sick? When there are ors and officers sick, Officers have to beattended first. why? Ihave seen both in the U.K. and the US where they are treated alike whether one is an officer or ranker once retired all are humanbeings. This is what Isaid the colonial mindset. today I read a post on the face book that three senior officers have been cought for financial fraud amounting to lakhs of rupees they had been drawing as dearness allowances ,which now they have admitted to the crime Re. Bangalore times Auth Sgt.N.R.Raju Ex AF.
    he is taking up again to accuse them for criminal conspiracy.
    So , first of allwe have shed our colonial attitude, because we allknow when in uniform on action side by side we do not differetiate menand officers. why then after retirement? I for one Iam fully in favour of this Federation but the above doubts ghave to be cleared that is the thinking that officers are superior in every respect and the other ranks knows nothing has tobe changed. In the soviet Union where I had one years training, as Flight Engineer, where everyone from the foot soldier to the Field Marshal ,if he is an Air crew they ave the same meals and if a Ground crew they have
    ehte same meals and they eat togetehr in the same mess. There ae only two types of meals and two types of messes. once on the duty there only the ranks comes into picture. otherwise allare one brothers./
    Thank you .Please note this is my personal opinion as a humanbeing .

    1. Dear Sethumud ji,
      Jai Hind,

      I fully support you. First of all all of us are Armed Forces Veterans i.e Army Veterans, Air Veterans, Navel Vetearns and not Sepoy,Cpl.Sgt,Subedar ,Capt.,Maj.Col. Brigadier etc etc. Once we are out of service having served the country, everyone must respect each other as human beings and no one is superior or inferior. For this the clolonial mind set of very many people are to be buried. For instance We have the ECHS clinics, why do we have the present system ? are we not matured enough to go to the empanelled hospital and explain what is our sickness? do we need a Ex-Officer to approve your sickness? Does anyone know how much money of the Govt is pend only to maintain the administration of the ECHS.
      National Ex Servicemen Co ordination Committee Delhi support your Mission .
      With Best Regards,

      Ram Kumar
      Gen. Secretary
      NExCC Delhi
      M 9868206455.

  25. A very good idea to have a Federation of ESM Associations, at All India level. Issues concerning the initial formation of the Federation, may be dealt with methodically and systmatically. It is open for all like minded ESM organisations to come forward, to voluntarily support the Federation. Lot of ground work may be involved.

    Our felicitations to Col T N Raman, for taking the lead. Best of Luck.– En Es Be

  26. Its nice Varada Sir to have started this initiative of Veterans Confederation on lines to CII.

    We need to take up the cause of veterans to the next level and see that it does not remain in discussion or planning level. We must thrive to take it up to implementation level at the earliest.

  27. Excellent initiative by Col TN Raman, a one man Army.
    His efforts need to be complimented and we Ex-Servicemen and ESM Associations must shed our egos and join one huge family to get our demands and grievances resolved. No one listens to us, no one replies to our umpteen e-mails and letters addressed to the powers that be. PCDA(Pensions) Allahabad has a Grievance Officer who never looks into our problems but draws a fat pay. Unless we have a huge numbers and a big bargaining power, we will continue to suffer and in silence. So let us support Col TN Raman whole heartedly

  28. It is said ” A Journey of a thousand miles, begins with a first step “. That first step, has now been taken. We thank Col TN Raman for showing initiative and taking the bold step. JWO Varadarajan, needs our gratitude for creating a website and maitain it.

    Let us all sincerely work towards formation of a strong Pan Indian Confederation of ESM Associations. Any organisation to stand on it’s feet and run, needs a viable strong financial base., ably governed by an honest and dedicated team of office bearers. Hope the process will begin soon. — Col Nitteguthu Sharath Bhandary, Veteran.

  29. Good show. Congrats for all of you. May God bless you all with long life and lots of success.

  30. Long overdue. This will certainly get the Govt, n MoD in particular thinking

  31. IT IS A DAMN GOOD IDEA KEEP IT UP AND I AGREE THERE ARE LOT OF OTHER PROBLEMS OF ESMs WHICH HAVE TO BE SORTED OUT.AND THIS IS THE CORRECT TIME AFTER THE ANNOUNCEMENT OF OROP.

  32. I suggest we coin a slogan “All Veterans, One Voice(AVOV)” as the next big project after OROP(Hopefullt this will conclude soon).

  33. A much needed and long awaited step . Wish happy landings and God .Speed

  34. Great feeling !! Congrats to Varada!!! I feel Happy to be in your group as well. Let me know if we need to register ourself to this site as well OR we are already in this group ??

    1. I will do the needful 🙂

  35. It is a very good idea to be unitted and demand for rights .

  36. Dear Sir,

    It is very good iniative. Although some ex-servicemen federations are in existence, but they are unable to function successfully for various reasons. I hope Col.T.N.Raman and his team along with JWO Varadarajan will take this Federation to a new height.

    We from the Ex-servicemen and Social Welfare Trust (Exwel Trust) always ready to support for the unity of ex-servicemen. A Federation of all Ex-servicemen Association is a must. I wish all the best for a successful opening.
    Thanking you,
    C.Muthukrishnan,
    Exwel Trust.

  37. I am 100 % in agreement with the thoughts of Shri C Sethumadhwan M.A.;LL.;B.Advocate dated 09 March at 03 31 pm; that after retirement all ranks “be it is a flag officer or of a lowest rank of soilder/sailer/airman” must be treated at par in ECHS polyclinics when they come for treatment. However, here priority may be given to emergency cases and or senior citizens according to their old age with cut of age as less than 70 years . Otherwise each lower rank feel frustrated when his senior rank is given priority and his turn is bypassed by any one else alike most advanced & developed countries of the world.This is my own experience. JAIHIND.

  38. Dear Veterans,

    1. We have more than 300 ESM Registered Associations in our country. Some States like Tamilnadu, has more than 12 such Associations. Now, a Veteran from Navy, Santosh Kumar Singh has floated a new ESM Association, named Armed Forces Veterans Association of India (AFVAI) and gone on the FB with his idea.

    2. The gist of his message is given below:-
    “How long we will be lying down and let other to decide our fate. Let us rise, stand and say “This is what we need”. Brothers, the silence is always interpreted into own favour. Let us not be silent but be non-violent. Our movement will be purely be a non-political and for welfare of families of martyrs first then ORs, JCOs and including Honorary Commission”

    3. Creation of one more ESM Association, in my view, is not going to affect the principle of Unity among the ESM Community. Rather, it should be encouraged, to ensure that every ESM in our country becomes a member of one Association or the other. None of the present All India ESM Associations, is capable of attracting the entire lot of Veterans to its fold.

    4. The Congress Party had been in the reckoning for the past one and a half century. Out of this, it was the Ruling Party for more than six decades after independence. Could it enroll more than 2 crore members, from our entire Nation, as on date? Similarly, the BJP had been in power in the 90s and again now. Could it muster more than 2 crore members?

    5. A few Veterans form Associations and try to expand their membership, with the aim of serving the Veterans Community, either in their own States or at the National level. It is unfortunate, that the initial euphoria of sticking together and forging an United front of Veterans die down gradually, when some ego, personal ambition or self glorification takes over the concerned leaders. Have we not seen such things happening with most of the ESM Associations which are formed for general purpose?

    6. Such happenings are likely to be negligible, in the ESM Associations formed with specific purposes. The examples of such types may be War Wounded Foundation, RDOA, War Disabled, War Widows Association, AFVOA and so on.

    7. If we analyse these factors, we may come to the understanding that raising of more ESM Associations, is not going to affect the Unity of the Veterans. What is affecting the Veterans at large is the one up-man-ship being adopted by some of the leading ESM Associations. Let us take the examples of the recent mails circulated. There were minimum five ESM Associations, which have taken credit for meeting the RM and discussing about OROP and a few more allied issues of ESM welfare. In addition, a few more ESM leaders had made similar claims, in their individual capacity. Why should we allow the RM and the Govt to exploit us on this score, unless they want to sow in some sense of disunity and lack of trust with each other, amongst us? Even in a case of legal nature, the Veterans do not hesitate to voice their own individual opinion, to the media and press, like it happened with the Supreme Court Order of removing the High Court jurisdiction over the verdicts of AFTs.

    8. I have been a staunch advocate of creation of a Confederation of ESM Associations. If we can form one, then the RM or the Govt will have no choice but to interact only with one ESM Agency. The aim of the Confederation is not to bring in all the ESM under one umbrella, which can never be possible. The aim is to bring in most of the ESM Associations under one umbrella, so that all the issues affecting the Veterans and their dependents, could be discussed/debated within the Confederation consisting of ESM Associations, and the majority view of the ESM Associations could be taken for further progress of the case.

    9. Since the Confederation will have only the ESM Associations as members, domination by any individual leader is precluded. This aspect will give more scope for the ESM Associations headed by the JCOs and NCOs to express their views freely and give more weightage to their opinion. Above all, the Govt would not be able to ignore such a strong show of unity by the Veterans, and also would not be able to sow dissent within our ranks by carrying on consultation with a number of ESM Associations and ESM leaders, at the same time, on the same issue, just to incorporate anomalies in our stand.

    10. I earnestly hope that this mail is sent to Veteran SK Singh also for his consideration, by Veteran Achuthan. Floating a new ESM organsation, to my mind is not at all a taboo. But, he should consider and modify his opening message as given in para 2 above. An All India Veterans Association must have membership thrown open to All Ranks, and not restricted to certain groups. Please draw inspiration form the existing All India ESM Associations. I wish him all the best.

    11. I will be sending the Approach paper on forming a Confederation. I request all the Associations which had extended support to my initiative, to kindly pursue the matter.

    12. It is once again requested to visit the Confederation web site given below and register the particulars of ESM Associations:-

    Thanks to the efforts of JWO S Varadharajan of Indian Air force Veterans Association, a web site has been created for the benefit of the ESM and ESM Associations, as per details given below:-
    Please check http://www.veteransconfed.org/ and http://www.veteransconfed.org/?page_id=21

    Col TN Raman (Retd)
    Mob: 0- 9840033326

  39. We need a central coordinating agency. I wish this initiative succeeds.

  40. An EXCELLENT idea & initiative .Great job Raman, please get it going. It is the need of the day. We are a Democracy where UNITY & numbers matter the most.
    Besides monetry gains, we should endevour to enhance our image in the eyes of the nation. Our contribution to the nation needs to be high lighted. Unfortunately neither the Govt nor our serving lot nor the MEDIA are doing justice. I suggest we give high priority to tackle media, social media etc.

  41. Very Good initiative.
    With Best complements from
    Sainik Darpan

  42. Sir,
    I am an Ex Sgt Of I A F retired on April 1986. The suggestion put forward is most welcome. We did self less service and continue to live helping the needy as the service
    taught us. We always faced problems with our counter part UN uniformed, always found happiness when we meet a veteran. Pl go on and lead
    With best wishes

  43. Kindly put my email id on circulation list.

  44. Dear Veterans,

    The concept of creating a Confederation is not merger of all ESM Associations. All the constituent ESM Associations forming and joining the Confederation, will retain their own identities.

    What I have been trying to convey is that, in any ESM Welfare oriented activities, there are no competitors but only compatriots or fellow workers, who are working for similar goals. I prefer to place all the ESM leaders right from Generals SK Bahri, Vijay Oberoi, Raj Kadyan, Satbir Singh, Jose Manavalan, RN Radhakrishnan and Colonels S Rajan, Inderjit Singh, Sadhu Sohi, Angad Singh, Bhandari, Veteran Ramkumar, Sub Srinivasen, Sgts Kandiah, Muthu Krishnan, Nk Joseph and a few more, on the same plane. They are all working for the cause of the ESM and their families, in their own selected and specialized fields. Let us also not forget that many of them were in forefront of our struggle for justice, for the past many years.

    We must understand that there are a number of ESM Organisations which are more than three decades old. The leaders of these ESM Associations have rendered meritorious service for the cause of the Veterans. If we talk about merger, with which organisation the ESM Associations should merge? Or is it a suggestion to form a brand new ESM Association in order to merge into one group? Both the suggestions are not workable.

    After discussing the pros and cons of all the options, the concept of Confederation has emerged. The Confederation of ESM Associations will have only the ESM Associations as its members and all the member Associations will have equal rights and responsibilities. They all will enjoy equal status irrespective of the fact whether the Office bearers of these Associations are Veteran Officers, JCOs or NCOs.

    It is keeping in trend with the present day scenario. The Transport Companies, Milk producers, Poultry Farmers, Security Agencies, even corporates and many more, though have their own independent units, establish their own Federations, for projection of their demands and negotiation with the Govt. Their unity is organisation centric to facilitate united approach to any common problems faced by them. None of the members of these organisations have relinquished their own individual identity and functioning. They take the shelter of their own Federation in dealing with the Govt Agencies.

    Our approach ahould also be on the same lines. In fact one such Confederation of ESM Associations came into existence in 1999:-

    ” Supreme Court of India

    CASE NO.:
    Writ Petition (civil) 210 of 1999

    PETITIONER:
    CONFEDERATION OF EX-SERVICEMEN ASSOCIATIONS & ORS.

    RESPONDENT:
    UNION OF INDIA & ORS.

    DATE OF JUDGMENT: 22/08/2006

    BENCH:

    JUDGMENT:

    JUDGMENT C.K. THAKKER, J.
    This petition under Article 32 of the Constitution is filed as Public Interest Litigation (PIL) by petitioner- Confederation of ex-serviceman Associations for an appropriate writ directing the respondent-Union of India to recognize the right of full and free medicare of ex- servicemen, their families and dependents treating such right as one of the fundamental rights guaranteed under the Constitution of India. A prayer is also made to direct the respondents to take necessary steps to ensure that full and free medicare is provided to ex-servicemen, their families and dependents on par with in-service defence personnel. A further prayer is also made to extend such medicare for all diseases including serious and terminal diseases, even if treatment for those diseases is not available at Military Hospitals. The case of the petitioner is that there are certain ex-servicemen Associations which have formed a Confederation in furtherance of common cause for welfare of ex-defence personnel. They are;
    (i) Air Force Association;
    (ii) India Ex-services League;
    (iii) Naval Foundation;
    (iv) Disabled War Veterans (India); and
    (v) War Widows Association.

    In addition, All India Ex-servicemen Welfare Association (AIEWA) and National Ex-Servicemen Coordination Committee (NExCC) also figured in the said PIL. Though the Govt had objected to the petitioners calling themselves as Confederation, the Supreme court had over ruled the objection and had maintained that such a grouping is legitimate.

    So the idea of reviving the concept of Confederation, in my view, will forge the issue based unity which is lacking today.

    Kindly visit the web site given below.

    Please check http://www.veteransconfed.org/ and http://www.veteransconfed.org/?page_id=21

    Col TN Raman (Retd)

  45. Nice initiative! After leaving Armed Forces, we go different places, work… but our mind is always with our beloved Fauj. Whenever we see the men in uniform in rescue operations or in the line of duty of the Nation, our chest brims with Pride! This is a gr8 unifying place… all the best…!

  46. Congratulations for your noble efforts.

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      Dear Veterans,

      1. I was watching from the wings, most of the email exchanges, from various ESM Associations and ESM dignitaries.

      2. Let us examine the modus operandi of Central Govt Employees. There are more than a thousand Federations and Associations of employees, which come under one umbrella called the Confederation of Central Govt Employees, which they surmise as an ” Organisation for unifying the entirety of Central Govt Employees Associations on a single platform of struggle and advance”. This Confederation includes Federations and Associations of the Railways, Port Trust, Postal Services, Nationalised Banks, PSUs, and many more important Govt entities, which are independent bodies by themselves, which on their own merit are capable of causing great disruption to the economy of the Nation as well as smooth functioning of the Govt. Despite this advantage, they believe in united approach, while tackling the common problems faced by them. During the first week of this month, May 2015, the call for Nation wide strike was given by their ‘Confederation’ to resolve all the major issues affecting the Central Govt Employees as a whole. We have seen the report in all news media. In addition, their Confederation has also given notice to the Govt that there will be a prolonged strike in Nov 2015, if their demands are not met. This system precludes the efforts by the Govt to create rift amongst their Associations.

      3. Here we Veterans are still hesitating to project an united front to carry forward our demands, under a single umbrella of a Confederation, despite the fact that we Veterans enjoy only a reflected glory, since it has been our covenant and which will always be the one, to never involve our serving fraternity with our struggle. Because, we care for our Nation, always and every time.

      4, The demand of OROP has become a litmus test for the Veterans’ cause. It has graduated to become an emotional issue, rather than remaining a pure financial benefit. The BJP lured the ESM community with such a promise in 2014, as an assurance of sympathetic consideration of all problems connected with the ESM community.

      5. Some knowledgeable Veterans may question as to the relevance of Confederation of Central Govt employees comprising serving employees, with the struggle of we Veterans of Armed Forces. Therefore, let us compare our performance with that of Civil Pensioners Confederation.

      6. Bharat Pensioners Samaj (BPS) is a conglomerate of around 650 Pensioners Associations of different
      disciplines & departments including All India Services, Central Govt Employees, Railways, Defence Civilian Employees, EPS95 etc. In addition, BPS has a strong alliance with sister organizations like AISCCON, AIFPA Chennai & NFRP Palghat. The combined strength through its affiliates/associates & allies goes beyond 10 lakh . It is an All India Federation of Pensioners’ Associations of all Central Govt; State govt ; PSUs, EPS &NPS pensioners’. It is a, non-profitable, non-political & nonreligious organization. Bharat Pensioners Samaj (BPS) is aided by the GOI M/O Personnel, PG & Pensions-Department of Pensions &Pensioners Welfare. It is also a member advisory committee for web based Pensioners’ Portal of GOI M/O Personnel, PG & Pensions.

      7. Now, let us compare our demands and struggle for justice either through agitations, negotiations, pleadings, personal letters and in some remote cases through Courts of Justice ! The aim, so far has been splintered efforts at meeting the Union Ministers in piecemeal by various ESM Associations and ESM dignitaries, then proclaiming Pyrrhic victories. Patient hearing of our demands by the RM itself has been touted as success of our mission. The RM had played his part well, by meeting all the delegations of ESM Associations separately, at different timings, even on the same day, and in addition inviting prominent Veterans for private consultations. Net result, he found anomalies thrown in by our own Veteran leaders. One classic example is given below:-

      (quote)

      Extract from the website of NExCC is appended below. The same can also be accessed at the following link:

      http://www.nexcc.org/news1.php?id=114#

      Warm Regards,
      S K Jain

      ONE RANK ONE PENSION
      01.05.2015

      ONE RANK ONE PENSION National Ex-servicemen Co-Ordination Committee met Defense Minister Mr. Manohar Pareeker at his office on 22nd April 2015 at 1800 hrs to 1900 hrs for the further discussion on issuing OROP implementation orders. The discussions are necessitated due to the anxiety of Ex-servicemen community, that the implementation orders are not likely to be issued, as promised by the Defense Minister in the discussion held on 18th March 2015. During the discussions the Minister informed the delegate that all the modalities and formalities were completed for issuing the orders as promised on 18th March 2015, but unfortunately a delegation of officers led by Major General Satbir Singh met RM and had discussion over the Supreme Court Orders on the subject. This discussion necessitated further clarification on the matter, and also required the approval of the Parliament once again. However, the Minister was very considerate towards PBOR and assured that he will be able to obtain the approval of the parliament during the current Parliament session. The 10 member delegation of Co-Ordination committee led by Chairman Mr. Tanewar Sen, Vice Chairman Mr. VS John and Secretary General Mr. VN Mishra, also discussed other problems like ECHS, Security Contract System and representation in various committees, during the hour long discussion. NeXCC delegates met Mr. Rabindra Kumar Jena, MP. 1. Lok Sabha member of standing committee on industry. 2. Consultative committee on communication and IT and discussed about the exploitation of ex-servicemen in the security contract and security guards. (QUOTE ENDS)

      8. The example given above should open our eyes to the tricks being played by the concerned authorities. The RM could not have made such an excuse, palming off the responsibility of the delay to another ESM organisation, had there been a confederation of ESM Associations, on the lines of Bharath Pensioners Samaj (BPS). Then he could have dealt only with the members of the Confederation, an united body of Veterans, representing majority of the ESM community, through their own Associations.

      9. The Confederation we are talking about is not a merger of existing ESM Associations into a single body. It will be a voluntary grouping of the existing ESM Associations and Federations, with their own individual identities, into a Confederation set up, akin to BPS. After all, we have only three major branches in our Veterans community, ie, Army, Navy and Air Force. Though these Veterans may be members of various ESM Associations, some at District, State or National level, forming a Confederation by their Associations, for the purpose of ” Organisation for unifying the entirety of ESM Associations on a single platform of struggle and advance”, cannot be beyond our reach. In many mails, most of the leaders of the ESM Associations do agree with this concept. But are simply waiting for some Associations to take the lead.

      10. At the cost of repetition, let us revisit the proposal. Please also visit our web site given below:-

      Please check http://www.veteransconfed.org
      Col TN Raman (Retd)
      (to be continued in part-2)

  47. Hi, congrats fr ur sincere efforts fr creating a wonderful concept. My best wishes & pray that God bless u with all wonderful thoughts fr upliftment of all veterans. Ex Sgt Ch George

  48. Very good initiative I extend my full support for the success.

  49. Sir,
    Congratulations , very good step rights are snatched not given willingly . We have to unite ourselves in respect of Army, Navy and air force . We all are one .
    By SC Yadav Ex -JWO Indian Air Force

  50. Put me in your circulation list.
    By Prabhaker Ex-Hav Indian Army

  51. Dear All,

    This confederation does not accept individual membership of veterans. Only ESM Associations can be members. I request you all to fill the name and address of any association office bearers you are aware by going to http://www.veteransconfed.org/?page_id=21. This will help us in building a registry and contacting those associations.

  52. Confederation of all ESM organisation under one umbrella will be force multiplier for the ESM community. Best wishes

  53. Great Initiative, Let’s unite and move ahead under one umbrella.

    Regards
    Editor Sainik Darpan

  54. The need of the hour is the UNITED FRONT by all th 24 exam organisation . let come together, let us join our hands for a common cause.

    Thomas Manimala

  55. Dear all AFVs Greetings.
    1. I congratulate Col T N Raman (Retd) for this long due initiative. ‘United we stand and divided we fall’. This confederation will make us all very strong to fight for our rightful dues. The whole aim is to UNITE and then fight for our rights. We live in a democratic country and therefore have a right to air our opinions on any subject under the sky. But they must be logical. Hence I would request all AFV to contribute, in all respects, to achieve this goal. Kindly do not demotivate a person who has voluntarily taken initiative for our good.
    2. Col Raman Sir, We the ‘BARRACKPORE DEFENSE FORCES VETERANS WELFARE SOCIETY, BARRACKPORE’ are with this idea. I have taken clearance from all the members in one of our General Meetings. We are running this org as per law of the land. We are registered with the Govt.
    With warm regards.
    Lt Col R K Deb (Retd)

  56. ALL ESM ORGANISATION UNDER ONE UMBRELLA BEST WISHES

  57. A welcome step; This was lacking all the while. Let us try and develop this Confederation as the United forum for the Veterans. I hope all the existing ESM organisations would consider the necessity for such a move and become a part of this. Kudos to all those who worked on this and made it possible.

  58. Dear AFVs,
    On the very outset I welcome the views expressed by Col TN Raman and the positive comments and views expressed by many AFVs in support of the suggestion to get all the existing ESM Organisation under one Umbrella with a common minimum agenda to deal with the problems related to Pension , ECHS, CSD Canteen, Functioning of KSB, RSB , ZSB , Rehabilitation/ Re-Emloyment /Resettlement of AFVs and many other important aspects commonly affecting every AFV. Comments from Col C T Arasu Thanjavur..

  59. Confederation of all ESMs/Veterans organisations must be formed without delay. I commend Col TN Raman for this initiative and hope that the Confederation would become “ONE VOICE OF ALL VETERANS” while dealing with the govt on Veterans affairs.

  60. It is indeed heartening to see that gradually the ESM fraternity is showing signs of unity. May this trend continue and let us be a force to reckon with.
    While we are at the ongoing struggle for OROP, is there any update on the issue of arrears of revised pension for the period Jan 2006 to Sep 2012?

  61. Today Col TN Raman has given some points via his email. All ESM organisations must implement those without ego.

    COL T N Raman may unanimously nominated as chairman of the united front for an year. By then I am sure he will create a strong foundation for United Front. Thereafter the front may go for elected representatives.

    Praying for the united front.

  62. -I am president of chikka banaswadi ex-servicemen welfare association, bangalore. we are having nexcc at bangalore. we are affiliated to it!. but what is the use. We paid even affiliation fees as per their demand. we did not receive even receipt. not a single letter or minutes of the any meeting is received. is this the way the general secretrary to function ?
    There is no meeting . in our area there are are about five or six ex csrvicemen associations spread within 10 k.m . If the gen.secretary takes interest to meet secretary or president of each and every association and bring them under one umbrala of nxcc it will be good. similarly in each and every district in all the state .

  63. I met personally Col Raman yesterday in his house in Chennai. . He seems to be around 75 years age. I think it is shame for young ESM like me wasting time instead of initiating something new . We have enough skills in various fields , will power, leadership qualities . yet waste time. Wastage of time means wastage of money. Let us unite and create new world for coming generations .Up coming Jai Jawan TV Channel is a direction in this regard. to work with the confederation of Indian Ex-servicemen Associations.

  64. The initiative has been revived. A meeting is called for on 19 August 18 at Hyderabad.

    Col TN Raman (Retd)

  65. Sir, can an individual like me participate? I wish if there is a union of ESM LIC employees. Many are interested but we getting it difficult to start.

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